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March 21, 2006


Garth "gwalla" Wallace

Not surprising that the Wachowskis turn the story's philosophy into something simplistic. I mean, the "philosophical heart" of The Matrix, which everyone thought was so deep, boils down to an excuse for the heroes to blow stuff up with total disregard for human life. "Oh, it's okay to kill people still stuck in the Matrix, because they're not enlightened."

I still haven't decided whether I want to see the V movie.

Kevin J. Maroney

I would say that that movie of V is simpler, not simple. However, "the people should not fear their government--the government should fear its people", while a slogan, is no less sophisticated than "chaos is disorder without leaders; anarchy is order without leaders", the grand philosophical summa of Moore's work.

Jon H

And "anarchy is order without leaders" is a pipedream anyway, while "government should fear its people" is a principle we can live by in the real world.

Was anarchy more in vogue in the early 80s or something? Nowadays the only adherents are a few people who get off on smashing the windows of Starbuckses and McDonaldses around globalization meetings.

Jon H

Oh, and I don't think Gordon is meant as a late-night host like we have.

Remember, the kiddies were watching with their parents, so it probably wasn't late at night.

Rather than being an edgy latenight comedian, he may have been more like the old daytime variety shows that used to air in the US - Dinah Shore, Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin, that sort of thing. Very inoffensive humor. Maybe like a Bob Hope special.

But even someone in this kind of role may harbor more subversive tendencies, which are simply kept in check. Think Bob Saget, who despite his wholesome milktoast persona on Full House and that home video show also can work very 'blue', like in the film The Aristocrats.


Let's not think about Bob Saget in any connection with V for Vendetta. Although your point about shlock entertainment is well-taken and reminds me of a line from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas--"what the world would be doing on a Saturday night if the Nazis had won the war."

Which in turn reminds me that the updated "Storm Saxon" clip was brilliant.

And Kevin, my point isn't that the movie is simpler but that it's the wrong kind of simplicity: the simplicity of responsible democratic citizens looking discreetly away from some of the more troubling or transgressive aspects of the comic.


It was one of the few movies I've seen lately that I wished we had all seen together. There was massive parking lot time that needs to be devoted to that film. Perhaps even bad food and sodas.


Perhaps? I am satisfied with nothing less than a trip to Plato's, and then equally massive time in their parking lot figuring out who stiffed us on the tip.

Martin Wisse

I think Kevin's doing both Moore and anarchy a disfavour in his summation; both have much more complex philosophies, even if it is possible to reduce them to simplistic slogans. In fact, isn't Marc's whole point that you cannot reduce V for Vendetta> to these slogans?

People have thought about anarchy, have found answers to the sort of objections anybody with half a brain can think up when confronted with anarchism for the first time and have tried, with lesser and greater success, to bring these ideas into practise.

Doesn't mean anarchists are necessarily right or have the right answers, but I do get annoyed when it's all reduced to kids in hoodies smashing Starbucks.

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